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发表于 2010-5-29 09:36 PM | 显示全部楼层


可能是LYG,有人敢put么,哈哈,已经在低位很久了。。。
balto 发表于 2010-5-29 23:31


噢!劳合社可别倒。保险业的祖师爷啊!
不过指望它因BP事件而倒可能还是困难。它的分保做得是很好的。
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发表于 2010-5-29 09:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
可能是LYG,有人敢put么,哈哈,已经在低位很久了。。。
balto 发表于 2010-5-29 23:31



    LYG不是银行吗?也经营保险业务?
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发表于 2010-5-29 09:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
oops,搞错了,劳埃德银行和劳埃德保险集团无关。是Lloyd's,不知道有没有在美国上市。。。

LYG不是银行吗?也经营保险业务?
Diffusion 发表于 2010-5-29 09:37 PM
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发表于 2010-5-29 09:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
oops,搞错了,劳埃德银行和劳埃德保险集团无关。是Lloyd's,不知道有没有在美国上市。。。
balto 发表于 2010-5-29 23:43



    Ah, LYG是ADR。
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发表于 2010-5-29 09:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 balto 于 2010-5-29 21:56 编辑

你知道劳合社的symbol么?这是家仅次于AIG的公司,至少在NYSE有托管啊。。。

噢!劳合社可别倒。保险业的祖师爷啊!
不过指望它因BP事件而倒可能还是困难。它的分保做得是 ...
crasher 发表于 2010-5-29 09:36 PM
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-29 09:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 shoujie 于 2010-5-30 00:02 编辑

股沟得到的:Lloyd’s syndicates launch legal action over BP insurance claim

LYG应该不是Lloyd’s syndicates 吧???所以,要查Lloyd’s syndicates 的符号!!!千万别扑错了对象。。。

但是,LYG的Profile里有:

。。。。UK Retail Banking, Insurance and Investments。。。。。
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发表于 2010-5-29 10:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
靠,刚wiki了一下,劳合社原来是会员制,就是一社团组织,得查具体承保人。但是即使查到了估计也晚了,都一个月了,应该早priced in了。。。

股沟得到的:Lloyd’s syndicates launch legal action over BP insurance claim

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shoujie 发表于 2010-5-29 09:57 PM
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发表于 2010-5-29 11:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
前段时间GS一直预测原油目标$100/桶,结果油价一直跌到了$69。现在GS改口了,预测今年油价目标低于$65,最乐观也才$65.

crude oil price may rise due to BP trouble.
Diver 发表于 2010-5-29 19:54
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发表于 2010-5-30 02:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
Goldman Sachs likes long term outlook of copper, oil, corn and platinum
05/21/2010

On a long term basis four commodities show real promise of upside potential - copper, crude oil, corn and platinum.

This is the view of Goldman Sachs global head of commodity research, Jeff Currie. Speaking at the World Mining Investment Congress in London, Currie said that it is these commodities that offer the most potential as they have the tightest supply structures and are leveraged toward demand from emerging markets.

And, copper is very much at the top of the list although Currie does foresee some pull back in prices on a short term basis.

"We have a price target of $8,150 per tonne for copper at the moment but, we expect prices to ease off to $7,500 by year end as demand shifts back to developed economies and growth in emerging markets slows somewhat. But, this is decidedly a short term move over the next six to twelve months," he says.

Indeed, Currie says he can find nothing wrong with the current fundamental picture for copper.

"Inventories are drying up, the demand pull out of China remains quite strong, the LME to Shanghai arbitrage is significantly open and floor space in China continues to grow, which is a very good indicator of copper demand.

"And," he adds, "when you look at the demand for metal in developed markets it is continuing to recover."

But, he says, "The market has sold off because of broader macroeconomic concerns which are being driven not by the macro data but because of the regulatory uncertainty that is clouding the picture."

It is this juxtaposition, of strong fundamental economic growth on the one side and a high level of uncertainty with regard to regulatory policy frameworks one the other that currently characterizes the commodity markets, he says.

And, while Currie was quick to emphasise the need for regulatory reform, he says "once these issues are resolved and the quicker they are resolved the sooner we can move on with our lives and actually take advantage of the stronger underlying economic growth."

"We are solidly in a recovery, it may lean toward emerging markets but, in the macro economic data over the course of the last few weeks has been tremendous even in Europe," he says.

Supply is the key

Currie says that the collapse in metal prices in 2008 and 2009 was driven by the collapse in GDP growth across the world rather than because of the higher prices that were experienced.

He says that economic theory will tell you that if demand is being constrained, as it was during 2008 and 2009, then supply needs to reach the same level. But, he says, if prices collapsed along with demand, then supply must be the binding constraint.

And, he adds, while in metals like aluminium, the supply constraints that were being experienced a decade ago have now largely been solved, copper's supply side on the other hand, remains a problem.
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发表于 2010-5-30 06:54 AM | 显示全部楼层
老哥,这个啥,是美国的海岸线啊。距离英国还远着呢。。。有生态灾难的问题也是先对老米啦。。。
shoujie 发表于 2010-5-29 21:45


BP是英国的公司啊。如果BP倒闭了,对英国肯定打击不小
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发表于 2010-5-30 07:16 AM | 显示全部楼层
BP现在每天在Gulf 的损失是其日盈利的 1/5左右,cash有5B +其他投资。
老美已打算用罚款把它全吃光。
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发表于 2010-5-30 07:24 AM | 显示全部楼层
FYI. BP 看来是自保的。保险意识淡薄啊!

London, England (CNN) -- As the BP oil spill continues to blacken waters in the Gulf of Mexico and beyond, Lloyd's of London has issued its first estimate of net claims from the disaster.

The world's largest insurance market says total claims from explosion of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig could be between $300 million and $600 million.

The figure was based on information from an unknown number of Lloyd's 78 syndicates with exposure to the disaster, including the limits of their individual contracts.

It doesn't include losses outside the Lloyds market or those carried by BP, which was self- insured when the rig exploded on April 20, killing 11 workers and spilling millions of gallons of oil into the sea.

On Sunday, BP said to date it had spent around $760 million on its emergency efforts, including the "cost of the spill response, containment, relief well drilling, grants to the Gulf states, claims paid and federal costs." It said it was too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident.

More than 26,000 claims have been filed against the company resulting in payments of more than $36 million, BP said Tuesday, while announcing the appointment of an independent mediator to oversee claims.

"We have opened claims offices across the region, and will make every effort to reach everyone who has a legitimate claim," BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward said in a statement.

Transocean, the owner of the oil rig, is attempting to limit the exposure of its affiliates to the disaster through the U.S. courts. Several of its affiliates have filed a petition with a Texas court to cap liabilities associated with the oil spill to the value of their interest in the Deepwater Horizon rig. The petition put that value at just under $27 million.

In a statement, Transocean said more than 100 lawsuits had been lodged against its affiliates in multiple states and courts. It is seeking to consolidate the lawsuits in a single court before federal judge, and pay out any claims from one dedicated fund.

A group of Transocean insurers, including Lloyd's of London syndicates, have made their own filing to a Texas court seeking to clarify the limits of their obligation during BP's clean-up operation.

According to court papers seen by CNN, BP provided notice of a claim to Transocean Excess Insurers by e-mail on May 14.

In response, the document says the insurers are seeking a judgment declaring "they have no additional insured-obligation to BP with respect to pollution claims against BP for oil emanating from BP's well. It put the maximum liability under policies for covered claims at $700 million.

Lloyd's said the losses incurred by its syndicates would have a "negligible" impact on Lloyd's capital.

The $600 million maximum estimate pales in comparison to Lloyd's insurance losses in previous years. The combined might of Hurricane Katrina, Rita and Wilma cost the insurance market $5.856 billion in 2005. In 2006, Hurricane Gustav and Ike produced claims worth $2.574 billion.

Lloyd's does not compile a list of losses adjusted for inflation.

It said it was difficult to provide an accurate estimate of the financial impact of the BP spill while oil continues to leak into the sea.
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发表于 2010-5-30 08:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
any chance BP drop to penny stocks?
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发表于 2010-5-30 11:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
BP公司“灭顶法”堵油行动失败 奥巴马称让人愤怒

综合外电报道,英国BP石油公司29日表示,试图以大量土石封住墨西哥湾漏油地点的“灭顶法”已经宣告失败。

  BP营运长萨特斯表示,经过3天观察,证明水下5000英尺下冒出的漏油并未止住.

美国总统奥巴马马在听到BP“灭顶法”失败的消息后表示“既让人愤怒又让人心碎”,并称联邦政府与有关方面将继续寻求通过“任何和一切负责任的途径”封堵墨西哥湾发生原油泄漏事故的油井。

  漏油事故已经持续了六周,BP每个尝试封堵的行动均告失败。这是迄今为止,美国历史上最严重的漏油事故——超过了1989年埃克森•瓦尔迪兹号油轮漏油灾难。美国政府估计,有1800万至4000万加仑的原油泄入墨西哥湾,给当地环境和生态系统带来严重危害。
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发表于 2010-5-30 06:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
大狗算一卦,最后能堵住吗?啥时候堵住啊?呵呵。。。

BP公司“灭顶法”堵油行动失败 奥巴马称让人愤怒

综合外电报道,英国BP石油公司29日表示,试图以大量土石 ...
brcm 发表于 2010-5-30 11:51 AM
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发表于 2010-5-30 10:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
so far not hearing any good news.... they may need 中国人民解放军  
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发表于 2010-5-31 10:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
谢楼主。
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发表于 2010-5-31 11:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 suezo 于 2010-5-31 13:50 编辑

如果出事的是exxon,估计早堵上了,BP么,这可是千载难逢的机会啊.
米帝一向不惜自损8000杀人10000的,不过一点油污算什么.
到目前为止,美国政府在堵漏上究竟有啥贡献?
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-31 02:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
《新浪财经》烧钱9.3亿美元 BP堵油仍未果

  一场漏油事故,近乎中断了美国开发近海石油的国策;一场漏油事故,近乎使出事海域的各类生物遭遇“灭顶之灾”;一场漏油事故,近乎毁了美国南部海岸的整个渔业及渔民生计。

  经过近40天的努力,虽已耗费9.3亿美元,但是美国墨西哥湾原油(74.44,0.47,0.64%)仍在喷出。英国石油公司(BP)日前宣布,用于封堵墨西哥湾油井漏油的“灭顶法”工程也已经失败,该公司下一步只能考虑安装防漏罩,暂时减少漏油,近期封堵漏油彻底无望。

  4月22日,墨西哥附近的“深海地平线”钻井平台发生爆炸并沉没,原油一直源源不断地从破损的油井中喷出。根据美国政府估计,有1800万至4000万加仑的原油泄入墨西哥湾,给当地环境和生态系统带来严重危害。

多重问题考问政府企业

  有分析认为,即使在“数周甚至数月”之后,漏洞在近乎“烧钱”的堵漏行动中被成功堵住,但是已经扩散的油污却无法在短时间内清除。更严重的是,浮油污染对沿岸经济、居民健康和生态环境造成的“漏洞”也远非金钱所能弥补。

  全世界有数以万计的海上石油平台,发生事故是难免的。关键问题是,相对于事故可能引发的巨大灾难,一些公司是否有足够先进的技术来应对。实际情况却让人失望,美国能源专家理查德·沃楚知指出,“在像1500米这么深的钻井平台投入使用时,对油井的遏制技术却比钻井技术落后”。

  而负责石油开发的美国矿管局疏于管理,也遭到了美国社会各界的严厉批评。美国内政部调查报告说,矿管局人员“没有职业道德”,“疏于坚持规章制度”,“对风险的评估跟不上深水钻井日新月异的发展水平”。商报综合报道
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发表于 2010-5-31 02:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
这次漏油事故和俄罗斯的切尔诺贝利核电站核泄漏事故比起来,哪个造成的生态灾难更大一些?
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