为什么老熊昨天号召大家抢反弹？今天MM节前太贪玩，上下都不说明什么问题，要看下周！

ppteam

回复 20# 金牛银熊

yes, SPY 好像太BORING， 上SSO/SDS?

金牛银熊

see, this is 5mins chart of yesterday for SPY July 101 call.
The bounce gave you max $0.7 per call; ...
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 12:43

一个ES等于5个死皮当月期权只是个理论值，其实当月期权就是当天上下移动都不是线性的！

金牛银熊

昨天的底好像难保了。
拭目以待。。。。。。

金牛银熊

回复  金牛银熊

yes, SPY 好像太BORING， 上SSO/SDS?
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 12:47

    只要你本金足够大，S P Y是最适合做小波段的精确打击的。
老熊节前比较懒，今天不想太辛苦了。。。。。

dividend_growth

老熊，你认为到底是SPY好，还是ES好？

金牛银熊

因人而异，因事而异！

本金足够大还是SPY好，可长可短还能做超短期的精确打击！

本金不大的以小搏大短期投机ES要好一些！

老熊认为对冲才是使用了ES的长处！

ppteam

ES is the same as SPY.
1 ES = 500 shares SPY. The money you win or lose is the same.
I don't understand why we argue this.

ppteam

for TA traders, ES is FAR BETTER than SPY. because its spread is SPY 2.5 cents. The trigger is far more accurate than SPY.

dividend_growth

ES is the same as SPY.
1 ES = 500 shares SPY. The money you win or lose is the same.
I don't under ...
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 14:22

有人说SPY是直接有股票做后盾的，ES只是一种derivatives而且。

ppteam

10 ES needs less than $20k margin.
5000 shares SPY needs $60-70k margin in IB (1:4).

You can use the 'saved' money to trade currency, commodity futures... you name it. LOL

金牛银熊

ES is the same as SPY.
1 ES = 500 shares SPY. The money you win or lose is the same.
I don't under ...
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 14:22

屁屁涕：
1）E S也是有期限的，其价格也不是一成不变的，有时候是需要换手的。
2）做微波有可能两头受气而赚不了钱或少了许多。
3）有时候E S的走势没有像S P Y那样亦步亦趋的紧跟S P X。
4）凡是芝加哥期货市场的产品都不能完全等同于股票市场上的产品的，这一点必须明白！

ppteam

Most good ES traders are volume traders, 20, 30, or more contracts as their normal size.
If the size is 20, you make 3 points a day every day,  that's more than half M a year.

So the consistency is the key.

ppteam

回复 31# 金牛银熊

For day traders trade ES, the value change has no any impact whatsoever.

ppteam

"做微波有可能两头受气而赚不了钱或少了许多"

yeah, that's why you need to be good.

金牛银熊

10 ES needs less than $20k margin.
5000 shares SPY needs $60-70k margin in IB (1:4).

You can use ...
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 14:30

还是那句话：
如果你想短期投机以小搏大就使用ES，如果你想稳扎稳打的积累资金做中长期‘投资’ 还是S P Y比较好！

ppteam

I am watching this shitty market and I am glad I didn't trade in the afternoon.

ppteam

回复 29# dividend_growth

doesn't matter. Just a tool to make money.

金牛银熊

"做微波有可能两头受气而赚不了钱或少了许多"

yeah, that's why you need to be good.
ppteam 发表于 2010-7-2 14:36

老熊小时候就知道：从南京到北京，卖的没有卖的精！
M M吃的就是那些自认聪明的E S短线客。。。。。。

ppteam

回复 35# 金牛银熊

right, right. SPY is better for long term.

ppteam

回复 38# 金牛银熊

我不认为有MM，因此他们吃不了我。