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[讨论] 股市茶坊之2008第13周 -- 金融版块

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 06:16 PM | 显示全部楼层


原帖由 lovelyguoguo 于 2008-3-21 18:48 发表 谢谢CEO,不看不知道,却原来有这许多financial的ETF呀。


其实俺都不知道那么多有什么用啊?两个就够了。
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发表于 2008-3-21 06:37 PM | 显示全部楼层

很担心, the downgrade from S&P could cause financial setor open low on Monday.....then we could miss some good points to short, then the downtrend for this sector may come earlier...


瞎想瞎猜一下哈。。。
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发表于 2008-3-21 06:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
That is exaxtly right, but if you buy skf, that is still a long in terms of margin.

原帖由 xiaobailong 于 2008-3-21 18:50 发表 既然有正向和反向基金, 那么可以采用short 或者 long不同方向的基金来操作同一个趋势。这两种方法有什么不同呢? 谁给说一说?  我现在账户只剩几百块钱了,如果long, 就要动用margin, 是不是不好啊? 如果shor ...
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发表于 2008-3-21 06:45 PM | 显示全部楼层
i think skf is till pretty low at current level - 106.

原帖由 whiteoak 于 2008-3-21 19:37 发表 很担心, the downgrade from S&P could cause financial setor open low on Monday.....then we could miss some good points to short, then the downtrend for this sector may come earlier...瞎想瞎猜一下哈。 ...
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 06:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 whiteoak 于 2008-3-21 19:37 发表 很担心, the downgrate from S&P could cause financial setor open low.....then we could  miss some good points to short, then the downtrend for this sector may come earlier...瞎想瞎猜一下哈。。。 ...


无所谓了,反正现在帐号里没钱,miss就miss好了。我本来也只是开个主题大家讨论一下,还没认真想过要去操作呢。

另外,风险方面也不得不防,毕竟FED刚刚下了重手,大盘向上的可能性也很大。这样也有可能带动金融股向上或者原地盘整。
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发表于 2008-3-21 07:01 PM | 显示全部楼层

xiabailong: take a look at this: ZT from http://www.investopedia.com/univ ... g/shortselling1.asp when you short sell a stock, your broker will lend it to you. The stock will come from the brokerage's own inventory, from another one of the firm's customers, or from another brokerage firm. The shares are sold and the proceeds are credited to your account. Sooner or later you must "close" the short by buying back the same number of shares (called covering) and returning them to your broker. If the price drops, you can buy back the stock at the lower price and make a profit on the difference. If the price of the stock rises, you have to buy it back at the higher price, and you lose money. Most of the time, you can hold a short for as long as you want. However, you can be forced to cover if the lender wants back the stock you borrowed. Brokerages can't sell what they don't have, and so yours will either have to come up with new shares to borrow, or you'll have to cover. This is known as being called away. It doesn't happen often, but is possible if many investors are selling a particular security short. Since you don't own the stock (you borrowed and then sold it), you must pay the lender of the stock any dividends or rights declared during the course of the loan. If the stock splits during the course of your short, you'll owe twice the number of shares at half the price. Also, because you are being loaned the stock, you are buying on margin. In fact, you have to open a margin account to short stocks.
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发表于 2008-3-21 07:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 whiteoak 于 2008-3-21 16:01 发表 xiabailong: take a look at this: ZT from http://www.investopedia.com/university/shortselling/shortselling1.asp when you short sell a stock, your broker will lend it to you. The stock wi ...


which means you need to pay margin interest?
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 07:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 whiteoak 于 2008-3-21 20:01 发表 because you are being loaned the stock, you are buying on margin. In fact, you have to open a margin account to short stocks.


我有margin account.

现在的问题是,我账号里现金只有几百块了.
这种情况下, long  SKF,和 short XLF 在股市涨跌方面效果是一样的, 可是在账号资金管理方面, 有没有区别呢? 
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发表于 2008-3-21 07:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
I have DT SKF for about a month. It was such a easy money to pocket, but things have changed since  last Tuesday when LEH, and GS have a good ER. Most of people bet the negative side of them, but Since I knew GS pertty well. I bot before ER come out. Financial sector has been bounced back for two days. Now it is very risk point to short or buy SKF. I tested water on Wednesday and profit is so slim. Two point when you play DT for this SKF, take profit quick and also have to be 100% right on market is down and price moves very fast. I have feeling financial sector still have some room to go up for few days, maybe on Monday GS,LeH or MS may drop, but I bet price will be up again. If prices drop is because those stock prices have been up too much. I will but some if price is drop just for DT. I will strong to wait to see how those stock price goes before buy any SKF. Not a easy one (SKF) to play for those two day. Becareful. Just my two cents.
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 07:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 calm 于 2008-3-21 19:44 发表 That is exaxtly right, but if you buy skf, that is still a long in terms of margin.


如果我账号里有足够的现金,  毫无疑问是long SKF

可是如果我账号里现金不够, 那么long SKF 和 short XLF哪一种方法更好? 或者更差?

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 07:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 shi33 于 2008-3-21 20:21 发表 I have DT SKF for about a month. It was such a easy money to pocket, but things have changed since  last Tuesday when LEH, and GS have a good ER. Most of people bet the negative side of them ...



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发表于 2008-3-21 07:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
you can still DT to avoid the margin charge..
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-3-21 07:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 shi33 于 2008-3-21 20:27 发表 you can still DT to avoid the margin charge..


正好周一不上班,可以试试。
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发表于 2008-3-21 07:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
好像大家对金融股的强烈反弹意见很一致,可以SHORT了,还得见新低。After financial stocks's nice run up, this observation is really cool and interesting..... My hunch target for financial this round is UYG $36-38, short term traders, don't jump your short guy.





原帖由 xiaobailong 于 2008-3-21 19:48 发表 无所谓了,反正现在帐号里没钱,miss就miss好了。我本来也只是开个主题大家讨论一下,还没认真想过要去操作呢。另外,风险方面也不得不防,毕竟FED刚刚下了重手,大盘向上的可能性也很大。这样也有可能带动金融股向上 ...
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发表于 2008-3-21 07:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
becareful... we need to wait lao hai' and brcm s prediction on Monday...  I have feel it will go up big, but becareful when chase high.. ha...ha... good luck to all of us
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发表于 2008-3-21 10:38 PM | 显示全部楼层

原帖由 小小草 于 2008-3-21 20:35 发表 好像大家对金融股的强烈反弹意见很一致,可以SHORT了,还得见新低。After financial stocks's nice run up, this observation is really cool and interesting..... My hunch target for financial this round is ...

 

我是TA外行。XLF会不会是个孤岛反转呢

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发表于 2008-3-21 10:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
至少还可做个cup handle
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发表于 2008-3-21 11:06 PM | 显示全部楼层

原帖由 jsl 于 2008-3-21 23:56 发表 至少还可做个cup handle

 

cup handle之后是会涨还是会跌?

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发表于 2008-3-21 11:14 PM | 显示全部楼层

Cup Handle 之后应有个小Rally below $30, after that I anticipate another drop. From FA point of view, the second drop is probably more related with earings, rather than write-down

 

但我只是猜测 cup handle

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发表于 2008-3-21 11:23 PM | 显示全部楼层

原帖由 jsl 于 2008-3-22 00:14 发表 Cup Handle 之后应有个小Rally below $30, after that I anticipate another drop. From FA point of view, the second drop is probably more related with earings, rather than write-down   但我只是猜测 ...

 

嗯,我比较倾向于向上rally,完全是从MM阴谋论出发的。

 

If the upcoming drop is related with earning, the drop would be slow, right? 因为real economy衰退起来要缓慢的多,反映到bank er上也会很缓慢。

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