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发表于 2011-3-10 12:37 AM | 显示全部楼层


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Below is your own post.
    "Go check the history, those words are not com ...
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 00:28



    As I said, these words are not from my mouth.  I quoted from a book.
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 12:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
As I said, these words are not from my mouth.  I quoted from a book.
Simpletrader 发表于 2011-3-10 00:37



不要丢人现眼了。古代的交通不发达,通信不发达,没有peer review,你非要说那是古代的“科学”,也由得你了。:lol

个人觉得,有了peer review的制度之后,才能算是科学。
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
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    Great, so you quoted the statement ".... It was science at that time...." which is inaccurate at least and yourself doesn't believe at all. Thanks.
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
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    Great, so you quoted the statement ".... It was science at that time... ...
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 00:43



    Please read the whole threads from the beginning.
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
不要丢人现眼了。古代的交通不发达,通信不发达,没有peer review,你非要说那是古代的“科学”,也 ...
嘁哩喀喳 发表于 2011-3-10 00:40



    当时是不是科学,不是你一句”古代的交通不发达,通信不发达,没有peer review,“ 说了算的吧。

讨论时,请不要加骂人的话。
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
Please read the whole threads from the beginn ...
Simpletrader 发表于 2011-3-10 00:45



    The whole thread is only that:
Science has limits and constraints, and can not explain everything. However within its specific timeframe and boundary, its explanation is correct, reliable and applicable.
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:55 AM | 显示全部楼层
The whole thread is only that:
Science has limits and constraints, and can not explain ev ...
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 00:53



    that is my point. within its specific timeframe and boundary, Science has limits and constraints
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 12:57 AM | 显示全部楼层
that is my point. within its specific timeframe and boundary, Science  ...
Simpletrader 发表于 2011-3-10 00:55



你可笑不可笑啊?古人没有peer review 的时候那也叫“科学”?
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发表于 2011-3-10 01:08 AM | 显示全部楼层
你可笑不可笑啊?那时不叫科学叫什么?
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发表于 2011-3-10 01:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
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    OK. So we all agree that part of science.

But that's different for religion, specifically Christian religions.  Because it claims it's perpetually true across all time and all places, without boundary & limits. Hence it leaves itself no space to advancement, evolution or correction. You agree that?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 02:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
你可笑不可笑啊?那时不叫科学叫什么?
Simpletrader 发表于 2011-3-10 01:08



叫做“个人意见”如何?
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发表于 2011-3-10 06:03 AM | 显示全部楼层
叫做“个人意见”如何?
嘁哩喀喳 发表于 2011-3-10 02:45



    At most you can call it a philosophical view, but definitely not any kind of science.
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发表于 2011-3-10 01:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,科学史需要重写了。

不过不知道有多少人会同意。吼吼!
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发表于 2011-3-10 03:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
what is science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.[1][2][3][4] An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained (see "History and etymology" section below).[5]
Since classical antiquity science as a type of knowledge was closely linked to philosophy. In early modern times the two words, "science" and "philosophy", were sometimes used interchangeably in the English language. By the 17th century, "natural philosophy" (which is today called "natural science") could be considered separately from "philosophy" in general.[6] However, "science" continued to be used in a broad sense denoting reliable knowledge about a topic, in the same way it is still used in modern terms such as library science or political science.
Science is "n modern use, often treated as synonymous with ‘natural and physical science’, and thus restricted to those branches of study that relate to the phenomena of the material universe and their laws, sometimes with implied exclusion of pure mathematics. This is now the dominant sense in ordinary use."[7] This narrower sense of "science" developed as a part of science became a distinct enterprise of defining "laws of nature", based on early examples such as Kepler's laws, Galileo's laws, and Newton's laws of motion. In this period it became more common to refer to natural philosophy as "natural science". Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the disciplined study of the natural world including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. This sometimes left the study of human thought and society in a linguistic limbo, which was resolved by classifying these areas of academic study as social science. Similarly, several other major areas of disciplined study and knowledge exist today under the general rubric of "science", such as formal science and applied science.[8]
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发表于 2011-3-10 03:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
At most you can call it a philosophical view, but definitely not any kind of science.
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 06:03



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
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发表于 2011-3-10 03:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复 75# Simpletrader


    What? You mean you stay with the definition of early modern times, which is before 17the century based on the context?
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发表于 2011-3-10 04:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
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    What? You mean you stay with the definition of early modern times, whic ...
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 15:32


then give me your science definition.
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发表于 2011-3-10 04:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
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    Look into the Wikipedia link you posted above.
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发表于 2011-3-10 04:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
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    Look into the Wikipedia link you posted above.
revolver 发表于 2011-3-10 16:42



    quote from you" At most you can call it a philosophical view, but definitely not any kind of science." I thought you did use modern words.

" In early modern times the two words, "science" and "philosophy", were sometimes used interchangeably in the English language."
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发表于 2011-3-10 04:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复 79# Simpletrader


    I lives in 21St century, when I say something I don't keep outdated meaning.

Even in your quotes from Wikipedia it's stated clearly the interchangeable usage was not after 17th century. It's an outdated usage and the entire original sentence is in past sense!
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