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发表于 2012-11-15 07:33 AM | 显示全部楼层


austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 07:32 AM
5F zone ==> (3456) + (6789) + (9101112), each is 1F.

I'll answer your other questions later.

No hurry. I understand how busy it could be. Thanks
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-15 08:31 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 austinjoe 于 2012-11-15 07:35 AM 编辑
bucks 发表于 2012-11-14 07:38 PM
Is this required "趋势背驰 needs 2 中枢 that not overlap -- including the min / max of each 中枢 ...


"So, my question is: can we define a 中枢 by 两个线段一个笔?"  ==>  No

" 或者,中枢可以被两个次级别走势和一个次次级别走势定义吗 ?"  ==> No

10Min / 1Min CHAN chat update.

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发表于 2012-11-15 08:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 bucks 于 2012-11-15 08:53 AM 编辑
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 08:31 AM
"So, my question is: can we define a 中枢 by 两个线段一个笔?"  ==>  No

" 或者,中枢可以被两个 ...


sorry, too many questions. Only need to answer them when you got time

but I don't understand why you use [9101112] as an 段, whose structure looks so strange. A more natural way is to define [6-11].

我猜是因为 9 段构成中枢升级,所以你每三个1F段定义了一个5F段。

这倒是个好办法处理这种情况
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发表于 2012-11-15 09:28 AM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 08:31 AM
"So, my question is: can we define a 中枢 by 两个线段一个笔?"  ==>  No

" 或者,中枢可以被两个 ...

Tks for sharing. This is very clear. My weakest point in chan study is how to deal with the more than 9段 or even 18段 1F zone. Your charts really help me a lot. But you don't have to update it everyday, I was just joking.
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发表于 2012-11-15 10:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 08:31 AM
"So, my question is: can we define a 中枢 by 两个线段一个笔?"  ==>  No

" 或者,中枢可以被两个 ...

请教楼主,您的10min chart上的0点为什么选在QE3前呢?那个点既不是高点也不是低点噢~
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-15 02:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
milan1126 发表于 2012-11-15 09:50 AM
请教楼主,您的10min chart上的0点为什么选在QE3前呢?那个点既不是高点也不是低点噢~

Please check my post#25, That's the start of an a 5F走势. Thanks for pointing out this confusion.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-15 04:02 PM | 显示全部楼层
11/15/2012 close, spx ends yesterday unfinished  1F down 线段 @ 1348.05, then add another new 1F up 线段 @ 1358.65 which is 3rd sell for 1F 中枢 formed yesterday {1365.29 [1366.15, 1370.85] 1371.40} -- 23-24-25-26 on 1Min chart. It's trying to form another 1F 中枢 at 1348-- 1358 area.

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发表于 2012-11-15 05:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 08:31 AM
"So, my question is: can we define a 中枢 by 两个线段一个笔?"  ==>  No

" 或者,中枢可以被两个 ...

1 more question for your 1 min chart.
Do you think the 3-21 1min 线段 form a 30min 中枢, and then the 22 is the 3rd sell point for 30F 级别?
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-15 06:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
milan1126 发表于 2012-11-15 04:29 PM
1 more question for your 1 min chart.
Do you think the 3-21 1min 线段 form a 30min 中枢, and the ...

Not enough 1F 线段. 9 x 1F 线段 make 1 5F中枢. You need 3 5F中枢 to build 30F中枢, that's 3 x9 x1 = 27.  Please go back to check late 08/2012, that's a good example on spx keep swing around 1400-1420 to form a 30F中枢 successfully.

For a 30F中枢 3rd buy /sell point, you need to identify a 5F走势 escape it first, then test it back without hit 中枢 edge (not 中枢 min / max).
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发表于 2012-11-15 06:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
How to identify the "M"-like part this morning in Chan? Is it a 1F 中枢? But it seems just 1F线段.
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发表于 2012-11-15 07:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-15 06:08 PM
Not enough 1F 线段. 9 x 1F 线段 make 1 5F中枢. You need 3 5F中枢 to build 30F中枢, that's 3 x9 x1  ...

Oops! Cannot believe I don't know 9*3=27, lol.

From this  post, I clear a lot of confusion on chan theory. Previously whenever the 1 min 线段 are more than 9, I would go to 5 min chart to watch. But sometimes the 5 min chart doesn't form a 中枢 at the same time since it may have 古怪线段 sometimes.  Now I understand from your post that it is because the 5 min chart is a less precise microscope than the 1 min chart. Once there are have 9 1min 线段 overlap, a 5 min 中枢 is formed. Then once there are 27 1min 线段 overlap, a 30 min 中枢 is formed, no matter whether I can point the 中枢 out from 5 min chart or 30 min chart.

Thank you so much for sharing and answering our questions~
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-15 10:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
ethanlinear 发表于 2012-11-15 05:41 PM
How to identify the "M"-like part this morning in Chan? Is it a 1F 中枢? But it seems just 1F线段.

No, it's not a 1F 中枢 because from spx 1370.85 @11/14/2012 14:00 to spx 1348.05 @11/15/2012 12:27 is only a 1F线段.

You may wish to focus on following lessons on -- 分型、笔、线段 as these are the most basic of 缠论. You could find them in the (ZT) 缠师的108篇教程


教你炒股票62:分型、笔与线段  

教你炒股票65:再说说分型、笔、线段

教你炒股票67:线段的划分标准

教你炒股票69:月线分段与上海大走势分析、预判

教你炒股票71:线段划分标准的再分辨(有一个图错误,在课程81有说明)

教你炒股票77:一些概念的再分辨(介绍到了缺口、分型、笔、线段的释义)

教你炒股票78:继续说线段的划分
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-16 04:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
11/16/2012 close, spx did form a new 1F中枢  this morning spx 1351.98 @10:41AM EST, then a 1F盘整背驰 trigger spx bounce from 1343.35. However, SPX could not break 1362 after 2 try which indicates the weakness of the bull. It may form another 5F中枢 at 1350--1360 area depending next Monday 走势.

Facing year end, my schedule may not allow me to do daily update. I'll try my best and could commit to post weekly CHAN chart update. Happy weekend and enjoy :--o)
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发表于 2012-11-16 05:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
Thanks for your update and answering my question.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-19 04:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
11/19/2012, spx gapped up 15 points today and shows bulls strength. mid day low spx 1379.71 is the 3rd buy point for 1F中枢 formed last last Thur/Fri day. SPX close at HOD 1386.65 and above SMA200 1382.49. Next resist is 1388 and 1403.
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发表于 2012-11-19 04:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-19 04:00 PM
11/19/2012, spx gapped up 15 points today and shows bulls strength. mid day low spx 1379.71 is the 3 ...

This move is too powerful, SPY doesn't have the second 1min 中枢 yet, and the 三买 point is too high.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-19 04:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
milan1126 发表于 2012-11-19 03:04 PM
This move is too powerful, SPY doesn't have the second 1min 中枢 yet, and the 三买 point is too hi ...

Right, bull showed strength today.

However, 1388 is 5F中枢 ZD, and most likely 2nd 1F中枢 will be in the [1380, 1390] area. IMHO, 1403 is tough for bull to break. Again, do NOT forecast trying to out smart the market, watch and follow its track is what 缠论 student should do.
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发表于 2012-11-19 04:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-19 04:14 PM
Right, bull showed strength today.

However, 1388 is 5F中枢 ZD, and most likely 2nd 1F中枢 will ...

Yeah, just as diffusion军师 said, see no think.
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发表于 2012-11-19 08:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
austinjoe 发表于 2012-11-19 04:00 PM
11/19/2012, spx gapped up 15 points today and shows bulls strength. mid day low spx 1379.71 is the 3 ...

can't agree more. 1388 and 1403 are key levels to watch next
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-20 05:25 PM | 显示全部楼层

11/20/2012, spx take out first resist by hit 1389.77 today and it formed a new 1F中枢 [1379.71, 1383.12] today. Now watch how spx escape this 1F中枢.

NOTE, when stay with Forexpros data feed, SPX rise from 1343 is 2 中枢  1F up trend, it's time to look for 趋势背驰.
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